Everyone who’s ever had a blog likes to get comments. I mean, if you didn’t get comments, well, things would be a bit boring, right? We, a couple days ago, I posted about the TX Polygamy raids. Gwen had a rather long, detailed comment and I wanted to respond. But my response was going to be rather long, so I decided to put it here in a main post. All quoted sections in this post are the commenter’s words:
In regards to the use of the APC and being well prepared with men and ammunition, there is a fairly easy response. After what happened at Waco, authorities wanted to be prepared for all eventualities. This is a walled compound and they had no idea of the reception they would receive and so they were prepared for all eventualities. Authorities have the right to protect themselves too.
Gwen? Do you have ANY clue what actually happened at Waco? That’s when the government went in an murdered dozens of people who never fired a shot. It’s quite easy to “avoid” another Waco — don’t send armed government agents to attack people on private property. In addition, these people CLEARLY knew what they were getting into. The police knew what sort of “resistance” was going to be faced — the same they ALWAYS face with LDS — none. It was wrong and overkill.
These people were not ‘invaded’.
Yes they were. If you don’t accept that concept, you don’t accept the concept of private property and you cannot accept any concepts related to freedom. There was zero evidence of any breaking of laws except one phone call that was FAKE.
all they did was protect children.
Utterly insane. Using that definition, the police need to take ALL children from ALL parents because someone MIGHT do something wrong. And what about the children who are getting pregnant OUTSIDE the compound? Why aren’t they removed from their parents? If the “protection” here was against underage children getting pregnant, I think the TX police have A LOT more people that need to be “protected” — again, including everyone who goes to Planned Parenthood.
These people are being ’singled out’ as you put it, because this isn’t a girl going out and doing something stupid. This is girls being brainwashed and forced to break the law and essentially being sexually abused by men who are decades older then them. And the boys are being taught that this is okay.
“Brainwashed?” Have you been to a government school lately? With the definition of “brainwashed,” we cannot teach any child anything about, well, anything. And then every single religion in the world, including Islam and Global Warming, is “brainwashing” people and they all should be stopped. It is NOT the business of government to determine right and wrong — government is wholly incapable of doing that and they should not be doing that. What is it about the magic age of 18 that makes a girl perfectly okay to make all decisions for themselves? Can you tell me who is harmed when a 16-year old gets pregnant and then raises the child in a caring, loving home with a father?
This is not a healthy environment for kids. Try reading “Escape” by Carolyn Jessop, someone who left the FLDS community and describes exactly what goes on there.
I’m not defending the LDS. I have some friends who are LDS (sounds like I’m calling them ADD), and I know a bit about that church. In general, I think their religious beliefs are nuttier than a fruitcake. But I believe in freedom most of all. I believe people should be free to have their religion. And in a religion that’s not harming outsiders, I cannot see any right for the government to go in and stop them. It’s completely and totally wrong. What are you going to do when government decides that YOUR environment isn’t healthy for kids simply because they say so? These people were living in peace and not harming anyone. They absolutely, completely, should have been left alone. What the government is doing is causing A LOT more harm to these children than the LDS ever could have. Government has far overstepped it’s bounds, and it IS destroying people simply because of their religious beliefs, and that’s just wrong.
It also does not matter that the initial phone call was false.
That’s the worst, scariest part of the entire comment. Do you even realize what you’re saying there? You’re clearly saying that the fourth amendment to the US Constitution doesn’t exist. You’re saying that government can, at any time, and for literally any reason, invade anyone’s property and do what they want. If government wants to investigate someone and search their underwear drawer, they can, even if there’s no evidence. No, what government in a free society would need is concrete evidence and eyewitnesses who will stand up in court and face their accusers. Anonymous tips are absolutely horrible. If someone will not stand up in court and say that they saw something — and will face punishment if they lie — there should be NO government involvement at all.
Don’t let your apparent dislike for the LDS color your opinion. Again, if this were a free society, people would not be attacked, invaded, and arrested for their religion. Families would not be destroyed and hundreds of lives crushed by government because of religion. But that’s in a free country, not what we have in America today.
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