Millions for Dropouts
Yet again, I have to wonder, is there anything government cannot do? According to Democrats, who have run North Carolina for literally over 100 years, no, there isn’t. In fact, if there’s anything government isn’t doing, all you have to do is give them MORE money, and then they’ll do it.
In North Carolina, you have to go to school. It’s the law (even if it shouldn’t be). Apparently making something a law isn’t enough these days to get people to obey the law. Instead of punishing people for breaking the law, North Carolina is now giving away $7 million to bribe people to go to school. No, I’m not kidding. Next thing you know, we’ll just start giving kids an hourly salary just for showing up.
The “education” system is broken in America. It cannot be fixed, no matter how much money of mine that is thrown at it. There is no hope for this system. Throw it out and let’s start over. I’ll start a school for kids tomorrow — if the government would let me. But if I tried, I’d get thrown in jail. What a country!
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When a single child drops out of school it costs North Carolina hundreds of thousands of dollars in future lost tax revenues, social support, and crime related expenses. This is to say nothing of the the human cost.
I’m no expert on the specifics of this bill, but I suspect if you look into it you’ll find that it is designed to save money down the road.
It does not cost the government one dime. When a person makes a personal choice to be free, there is zero cost to government.
On the other hand, if the primary purpose of government is to take money from people who work, then allowing someone the freedom of not working will result in less revenue to the state.
Government, in a free society, should not be in the business of making money. Businesses are supposed to do that.
Yes, it’s called the “Free Enterprise System” and it works rather well if you can keep government from “mixing in it”.
“Free” is the opposite of government.
It doesn’t cost the state a penny when a kid drops out of school..Jerimee where did you learn that bulloney? You’re making many assumptions based on little hard evidence. This is the mindset of liberals and Democrats. Spend money to save money? Sure…..as the state budget grows and grows every year.
Sheesh.
I think the mentality is that if we take a little freedom from people now, we won’t be “forced” to take more freedom from others later. Me, I’d prefer we not take freedom from anyone, any time.
What will they do when more and more parents decide to go the home school route? Oh my!
That comment by Jerimee is the epitome of liberal thinking Ogre…it really is.
Worse, I think that’s the view of the Republican Party today, not the Democrats. Today’s big government Republicans have accepted that government has a role in, well, everything. Once that role is accepted, they simply look for the least expensive way to control. Wow.
Cost benefit analysis of educational failure seems dubious if not intentionally misleading. Dubious because many dropouts will actually make a go of some trade and earn a decent living and intentionally misleading because the dropout rate is used as evidence of the need for some educational experiment dreamed up in an ivory tower. Some years ago, in a conversation with the head of a university department of education, I suggested that perhaps one way to better educate and lower the drop-out rate would be to offer trade school training to high school juniors. Such trades as electricians, plumbing, building trades, metal working etc. would dominate the students last two years of high school. Not every student is destined to write literature or amend disfunctional government. This of course flies in the face of futurists who describe the new economy as a “service’ economy. However, when one needs an air conditioning mechanic don’t send an anthropologist to do the job. But much to my surprise, this department head strenuously objected to my suggestion because removing the student from purely academic class work would also deny the school the opportunity to spend two years preparing this student to accept such ideas as alternative life styles, the ideas of feminist writers, the acceptability of racial politics etc. Having spent some time in a classroom let me tell you there is no feeling of inadequacy like that of being forced to subject a roomfull of sixteen-year olds to the doctrines of James Madison on the constitutional niceties of the separation of powers. Many of these students would be better served studying the differences between alternating and direct current or the amount of pneumatic pressure needed to lift a work load. In short, educational theorists have come to so dominate the school house that education has been sacrificed to indoctrination. And as yet I have failed to hear a candidate of any stripe for any elective office to address this problem.
Jeff, I know what you say is true. I also think that much of what David Horowitz claims about college classrooms being “leftist endoctrination centers” is true of high school, all the way down to pike. Two things I have on my blog this week ya’ll need to see.
This video, where I don’t agree with the Rockefeller/Truther junk about 9/11, I feel strongly has a great deal of truth in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo
And this is on my blog about sex-ed, schools and the sick things libtards are doing via the web. Our whole society is just sick and it trickles down from the liberal lobby and politicians I think.
http://hoosierarmymom.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/evangilists-for-teen-sex/
I know “Government School” started out to be a way of “equilizing and standardizing school systems” since communities didn’t have the funds to make all things equal, and since, at the time 80+% of adult Americans farmed, those people didn’t have time to home school. Well times have changed, government has had enough time to think they know more about our kids than we do, and I agree with Ogre and Raven, if you want whats best for your children, you will find a way to keep them out of government schools. It is soooo sad, what our country is coming to.
Very, very true, Jeff. I’ve heard a number of people (not in the NEA or elected office) suggest we expand trade schools — and the education establishment will have NONE of that. It allows people to learn (against the education industry’s purposes) and it would remove some students from the education industry (which would reduce their control and power).
No, those who run the education system do NOT want solutions. Seriously. They want problems to continue so they can claim they have meaning and purpose.
Yep, why motivate student to love learning by indulging “the childs talents”!!! But when it comes to teachers pushing “liberal theology” or teaching it’s OK if Mom and Dad are named Mary and Debbie or Richard and Paul. But lets not teach welding or Heating and Air trades in schools.
It’s so much more than just pushing a theology — today’s education system is about power and control and has zero interest in their subjects actually learning anything. If students are able to learn, they will discover that the emperor indeed has no clothes.
You’re exactly right Hoosier. Education departments today send out their recruits with the new gospel of diversity dictum and teachers are expected to toe the mark when presenting this pablum. When you used the term “theology” Ogre, I was reminded of a now famous but long forgotten essay written by a long since dead American historian , Richard Hofstadter (let me say at the outset lest I be accused of citing inappropriate sources that Hofstadter was of the left-leaning persuasion but when in such a battle as this, all available tools are appropriate). Entitled “The Paranoid style of American Politics” the writer suggested politics as practiced by Americans had direct lineage to the Gospels. Without going into the details, the Biblicial admonition to look for signs of the elect among fellow citizens was translated into the world of politics to see who might (or might not) be displaying the qualities of the chosen. A couple examples of this paradigm might be seen when the extreme right wing claimed to see communists behind every move of the American government or Hillary Clinton’s fantastic charge of a “Vast right-wing-conspiracy” out to get her and her husband. Now days every comment made in a class room or, for that matter, in public debate, is measured for adequate prostration to the gods of diversity. Woe be unto anyone who offends this “theology.” Paranoia has set in and it has impacted our society. I must say, John McCain not withstanding, the last time I looked the First Amendment had not been repealed. It is not against the law to offend nor is it unlawful to hold unpopular opinion. I can tell you, many teachers and would be teachers, do. The question then arises, where does this thrust for PC arise? I would place the blame at the door step of the university. The recent dust up at Duke over the fabricated rape case being a case in point. But it extends much farther than that. In NC today there is a move to give the university system independent authority over its hiring and funding of faculty. No organization as large and powerful as the UNC system should have such independence. The sysyem seems to have strayed too far afield already by asking for such independence. Boles should be told to operate within the constraints placed upon him by the people who pay the bills, the NC taxpayer.
Constitution? You’re living in the past. Indeed, in many places, it very much IS illegal to offend someone. Numerous towns and cities across the country have arrested and jailed people who said something offensive to someone else. Heck, if you offend a judge, you can get 30 days in jail. If you offend a queer in Philadelphia, you get dragged away in handcuffs. Sorry, but the first amendment only exists in museums.
As for NC’s “higher” education system — it’s a lost cause. It’s been run and supported by Democrats and liberals for so long, it can’t be saved. Seriously, the only solution is to shut it down. If the entire NC University system disappeared overnight, what would be lost? I suggest absolutely nothing.
Researchers could research elsewhere (but they might have trouble finding funding for “gay literature studies”). Students could learn elsewhere (but they might have to actually pay something instead of the free ride NC gives everyone). And the economy would get a GIANT boost because the state could stop taking BILLIONS from working people AND people like me would start up new schools, employing thousands.
We’ve had this conversation before Ogre. If you drop out, you leave the field to your enemy, which seems to me is what you’ve done. The university is capable of being a positive force, it must be less biased. Liberalism is that great temptress that once lured sailors on the rocks, the Siren that led them to their doom. It listens to their complaints, “life is hard,” liberalism answers, “I will make it easy,” the complaint is “I can’t do this,” liberalism answers, “Let me do it for you.” The complaint is, “there’s no way I can accomplish this,” liberalism soothes, “don’t worry, I’ll do it for you.” Some years ago at the United Nations over some cold war issue long forgotten, the Russians, to show their picque got up and walked out. The US and its supporters then simply put through their position absent opposition. Don’t be a Russian copy-cat, stay and fight. It takes more, more guts, more patience, more confidence, more willingness to ignore slander and defeat and bruises. But the result will feel great. Recall the fall of the Berlin Wall, the break-up of the old Soviet Union. Having read you posts and those of your supporters I have never seen you as a shirker (forgive the term, I’ve read too many Civil War pieces lately). If you simply walk away, you surrender to those positions we both (I believe) despise and know to be wrong. “That’s the style Lew, give it to ‘em!”
I understand what you’re saying — but I don’t want to walk away and leave the system intact, I want to walk away and completely and totally destroy the evil system that is public education.
To continue your UN comparison, I don’t want to let them continue, I want to walk out, then blow up the building and level the land. I want to start over. I honestly don’t think it’s possible to “fix” the system. On a scale of 1-10, where 10 is “most” liberal, the university system is a 47. Reducing it’s bias might bring it to a 45. I want it to be zero, where freedom might rein.
Again, I don’t oppose education (but the university system DOES). I want education. I have seriously tried to start a private school in North Carolina. Despite having a Master’s degree, I was told that I wasn’t smart enough to start a school and if I tried, the government would jail me!
That’s a system that’s beyond repair. Shut it down. Board it up. Sell off the buildings — I’LL BUY THEM. Let’s throw it away and start over.