US Economic Problem
So, if you read the news at all these days, you understand there’s a massive economic problem in America, and that only government can solve the problem. But today I’m going to ask you to think. I’m going to make a statement, and I want you to think before you comment. After you think, go ahead and comment, if you like. Here’s the statement:
There is no problem in America today.
I’m serious. I’m not even going down the road to show that not only is there nothing government can do to solve any “problem,” nor is it any of their business. I’m not convinced there is a problem.
What’s the “problem?” Is it that the automobile manufacturers are going out of business? Why is that a problem? Companies go out of business all the time in this country. Sure, people will be unemployed, but people are always unemployed in this country. Oh, a LOT of people will be unemployed? Well there’s already a lot of people unemployed. Can we live without Fords? Well, I don’t have a Ford, and I’m not dead yet. What if all the “big 3″ go out of business? Maybe a better company will appear that will build even better cars! Perhaps government saving of those three will actually make things WORSE because other, better manufacturers cannot show up.
Is the “problem” that banks are going out of business? Why is that a problem? Again, companies go out of business every day in America. Just because an official bank isn’t lending money doesn’t mean that there’s no money. I just lent my sister $10, and I’m not a bank. And again, if the current dinosaur behemoths go out of business, so what? Do you honestly think that no one will borrow money if there’s no Wachovia next week?
Is the “problem” that house prices are falling? Again, why is that a problem? People who aren’t currently trying to sell their houses won’t even know anything has happened if they didn’t read the news. On a daily basis, it makes no difference to people if their house is worth $500,000 or $1 — as long as they have the house, who cares what someone else will pay for it or how much you paid for it? If you have a roof over your head, you shouldn’t care how much someone else will buy it for today.
Is the “problem” that many people are not paying for their homes and going into foreclosure? Why is that a problem? That’s been happening since people first started borrowing money to buy houses. Perhaps these people had bought homes that were too expensive in the first place and never should have bought them. And by losing their houses, perhaps these people will be learning valuable life lessons about spending and borrowing money. Or perhaps if they lose their home they will give others business by moving to a new place that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
Is the “problem” that media outlets are failing? Maybe they are failing because people don’t want to use them any more. Forcing them to continue would require forcing other people to do things they don’t want to do. Again, when a company fails, perhaps there is a good reason for it to fail, and perhaps that by failing, that will open up more opportunities for progress and new ideas to show up in the marketplace. In a marketplace where no businesses ever fail, there can be no progress and no new ideas or inventions.
Is the “problem” that “too many” people are unemployed? Says who? Once again, there are benefits to being unemployed. Do you know how many great inventions and discoveries were made by people who were unemployed? Microsoft was founded by an unemployed kid in his garage! I think that if unemployed people tried a little harder, perhaps we would all be a LOT better off. And no, I’m not disparaging the unemployed, I’m just trying to explain that we would all be a lot worse off if everyone were actually employed and doing things (especially for the government) because we would lose a lot of innovation!
Is the “problem” that too many people don’t have health insurance? How is that a problem? Is there some rule that says that everyone should have every medical ailment taken care of without issues? Is there someone in charge that claims that there should never be any suffering anywhere in America? Again, I’m not putting down that people are in pain, I’m just saying that pain is supposed to be a part of life and no one ever said that life would be fair — nor should it be.
So again I say, there is no problem in America. Do you disagree?
I think the only problem in America is government. I think government is claiming that all the above is a problem — so that they have a purpose. You see, if none of the above were problems, then the government wouldn’t really have a lot to do, would they? Sure, they could work on national defense and law enforcement against violent criminal activity, but that wouldn’t enable government to spend nearly enough money, nor give them near enough control over people.
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I’m using Opera right now. Guess that means I’m a true “rich conservative” who needs to have their excessive dollars stolen from them by the Obamanation! LOL!!!
All this is so blatantly stupid!
Ogre, once again we are on the same wavelength. I’ve taken a little different approach to it, but we’ve both said basically the same thing today:
http://akagaga.blogspot.com/2008/12/credit-crisis-or-falling-snow.html
Someboy remind HAM that Obama hasn’t been inaugurated yet, that the tax plan she is enjoying now is the product of a Republican executive, a Republican congress, and a Repubican judiciary, that the collossal national debt at the present time and into the foreseeable future is a product of Republican policies and Republican failures and Republican stupidity. Remind her also that the Republicans in question are archconservatives who claim to be “fiscally responsible” and who claim to favor “small government” even though they–and not the recent Congress, by the way, though they have been disgustingly complicit in damaging the nation–have run the nation into a ditch. For all the posturing and screeching of dimwits like her, the administrations with the worst economic performance by far in virtually every category have been Bush junior and Ronald Reagan, and they both also have set new records for invasive policies and dramatic bank collapses.
Obamanation, indeed.
ice
Did you read the post, ice? Do you understand government? From your comment, it appears that you do not. The current US Congress is not controlled by Republicans, nor has it been recently. The judiciary doesn’t make tax law.
And no, the Republican Party today does not stand for small government or anything conservative — nor has it for about 10 or 12 years.
And then to compare the economies of the US of Bush and Reagan as similar, well, I just think you need to study a bit more history.
But this post was about the crisis that’s been created by government (led by Democrats and Republicans) that isn’t really a crisis at all — it’s just a way to scare people into accepting nationalization of, well, everything.
The crisis is no different from the homeless crisis or the unemployed crisis or any other crisis that is manufactured to give government more power.
Remember, Rahm Emanuel said to never waste a good crisis…
Funny Ice,
Obama wants to spend an additional ONE TRILLION dollars on a stimulus plan. Hmm. Where’s that money gonna come from?
The past two yrs Congress has been controlled by (GASP!) Lemoncrats!
The past 8 yrs have been under the most NON-conservative President in history. Whom the media HATES.
Add it all up. The media has created much of this “crisis”
So what if the auto industry as we know it, fails. Let them. What will happen? NEW and improved car makers will open up shop; probably to offer us better vehicles of much higher quality at cheaper prices! The current UAW people will gain employment elsewhere- earning more of what their skills deserve in pay. As for all the suppliers and those jobs- they will have to expand and do business with the new car makers….the markets can handle all this. If the government will allow it to happen.
Health insurance? We really don’t need it. There are better, cheaper ways to to this. People are caught in a box of limited thinking and it’s costing this country way too much. Again if the government, state and fed, would just get out of the way even poor people like me can manage quite well!
Let the housing industry fall. It deserves to do so. It should not be any tax payers’ duty to expect to bailout these people.
Government should defend this country. All the rest is bogus meddling. Progressive ideas and thoughts and dreams will destroy us. Utopia will bankrupt the US faster than any other nation killer will.
Let the markets work…limited free markets with no federal oversight…no monopolies and watch it all work very well for everyone.
You’re right, Big Dog, this is completely manufactured. The “crisis” just isn’t even real — people just want it to be. The emperor has no clothes, but no one wants to admit it!
And Raven, even more than letting things fail because they should — literally, think of all the incredible number of opportunities that can open up if these companies were allowed to fail! Honestly, the potential is HUGE for innovation and new discoveries — IF people are allowed to fail.
Thanks for stopping along and commenting!
Liberals like to talk about innovation and newness. Talk is one thing. Actually allowing it to happen is quite another. Liberals are scared of innovation, new invention, new thinking. Why? Cause it would prove to the people a big government isn’t needed.
Liberals have made learning from mistakes, a thing of the past. Mistakes are not for learning anymore. Instead, they are for the increase of regulation, manipulation, fear mongering and the like.
Except when it comes to national defense of course. Failure IS allowed then…in fact it’s encouraged.
Seems to me people will just have to find out the very hard way. America will consume itself and hit a real rock bottom before this is all said and done.
Again, that’s likely correct, Raven — liberal fear innovation for that very reason — because it’s unknown, they don’t know the results — and if the results might force them to have less power and control, they’re not interested, no matter what the other results may be. These are petty, small, incredibly selfish people who only want for themselves.
Mistakes, to liberals, are successes! Every time someone fails, they believe that is an entrance for government to come save them from their failures — especially when government is the one to fail!
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So ever-more-grim unemployment statistics, rising oil prices (wait until mid-2009, when things will be right back where they were a few months ago), the number of uninsured Americans, foreclosure rates, and the number of bad loans are all manufactured data? Or do you trust the numbers, but claim that the story they tell isn’t a grim one and has no impact on those of us fortunate enough to be out of their direct grasp?
Either way you are incredibly short-sighted if you’re able to pretend that a bad economy won’t affect you personally.
As for “HoosierAngryMom,” what the hell are you even trying to say? Coherence is not a quality bound to unite anyone who believes any of the garbage tossed onto this blog, but it’s at least possible to make heads or tails of some of these comments. Yours is just a verbal belch.
If this is a crisis, it’s not manufactured.
The main problem of it all was while companies made money, the average employee did not get any pay raise. So as demand rose as the CEO’s bought stuff, it became harder for the middle class to buy things, such as homes and cars.
But still, America isn’t as worse off as many countries.
Kemibe, did you even read the post at all? Or did you skim a few parts and just respond to what you wanted me to have written?
I never claimed the statistics were wrong or right. I never said ANYTHING about me, personally, or any other individual, personally.
Try reading the post a little more before you comment, please, because you’re talking about things that I did not say, nor imply in any way, shape, or form.
That Hobo, I think it’s a lot more detailed than that. If the only problem was that the “rich” were hording money, then they would be buying all the companies now that are going bankrupt!
“Kemibe, did you even read the post at all?”
This is how back-pedaling almost always starts.
You claimed that a number of issues facing America are simply not a problem. I highlighted the known problems surrounding those issues (without resorting to actual numbers, which would be superfluous) and asked you on what basis you’re judging these things to be innocuous. Apparently you have no answer, which is what expected.
In terms of your personal situation, it is reasonable for me to assume that you believe you are unaffected by these issues–otherwise you would not claim that they are not problems, unless you actually enjoy adversity, which most people do not.
Anyway, I accept your non-answer for what it is. You don’t want any real discussion about the far-ranging effects of the societal solecisms you mentioned; instead, you obviously expect to be able to just rant unchallenged in this little bubble of a blog, which is fine–you’re not alone in that.
Well that’s my point — you didn’t actually focus on what I said at all. Pick any one of the points I listed that you disagree with. Just pick one. And explain to me why that’s a problem.
I believe what I was doing was showing how the things I talked about might NOT be problems, but in many cases are actually GOOD things for the economy. As for my personal situation, believe me, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried — on all counts.
And if I didn’t want actual discussion, I wouldn’t have asked questions. I just wanted discussion instead of name-calling and non-discussion.